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by Jason Marsh, Greater
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Seven
principles that could offer a new model of American power -- one that inspires
and mobilizes other nations to work with us.
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An interview with foreign policy expert Anne-Marie Slaughter by Jason
Marsh.
"World's only
superpower" -- that's the title bestowed on the
"Measured by
economic statistics and military might, our power is greater than ever,"
writes foreign policy expert Anne-Marie Slaughter in her recent book, The Idea That Is
America. "But measured by the commonsense measure of
whether we can get others to do what we want them to do, we have clearly lost
ground since the Cold War."
For years, foreign
policy experts like Slaughter, dean of
"These are issues
that require the cooperation of, if not all 191 nations, then a good many of
them," Slaughter said. "And for that, you have to be able to mobilize
people; you have to be able to inspire them. That means we have to have a set of
ideas that will be deeply attractive to other countries and will convince other
countries that we are actually pulling together to fight a common threat."
In The Idea That Is
America, Slaughter identifies seven key principles -- liberty, democracy,
equality, justice, tolerance, humility, and faith -- that she sees as central
to
The Idea That Is
America has been
endorsed by distinguished figures ranging from former Reagan secretary of state
George Shultz to former Clinton secretary of state Madeline Albright (who
called the book "brilliant ... deeply moving, exquisitely timed, authored
by one of our country's leading scholars"). Slaughter herself has been
mentioned as a possible secretary of state should the Democrats win the White
House.
Slaughter recently
spoke with me during a brief trip back to the
Jason Marsh: If you
were advising the next American president, how would you recommend he or she
act to restore
Anne-Marie Slaughter: I
would start with humility. In my view, we need to start by acknowledging that
we have made some real errors -- that we were badly
frightened after 9/11, and we overreacted in many ways. We're not alone as a
nation in doing that; many nations respond that way. But we have to own up to
that. We have to take responsibility for our actions and acknowledge our
errors, and acknowledge that in many cases we actually should have been
listening to other countries. That kind of humility is needed to give us enough
room to start to do some very positive things.
There are four concrete
things we need to do right away. The first is to close
Second, we must
withdraw our troops from
Third, we need to work
on leading a serious global effort to combat climate change. Our current
nonchalant posture is probably the most important global symbol of how the
JM: You talk about
humility, but "humble superpower" seems like a contradiction in
terms. I wonder if you could elaborate on how a humble foreign policy would
differ from the Bush administration's? For instance,
when would a humble superpower use force?
AMS: Well, first, you
have to define humility. Humility doesn't mean you shouldn't be strong; it
doesn't mean you shouldn't be bold; it doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud. The
opposite of humility is hubris.
So the biggest changes
would be, in making decisions, to genuinely consult and genuinely listen. Not
just jump through diplomatic hoops, but genuinely listen to people who
understand a particular region. We really need to be consulting with those
powers and allowing them to lead in some cases, supporting them, and not always
insisting that it's going to be done our way.
If you've got evidence
that you are about to be attacked, you can act. That's consistent with the
right of self-defense under the U.N. charter, under international law. The
issue is: Can you act when a threat is not imminent, but you think it's building? And there, I think, humility says there are
far too many questions to act unilaterally. That's exactly, in my view, where
you want to have the value of multilateral deliberation, where you want a
number of different opinions.
And in my view, that
means you would either get UN authorization or you'd at least get authorization
from a representative regional body. And if you can't convince another 10 to 15
nations who would be equally threatened that this threat is imminent and that
force is really essential, then I don't think you should act. But it's not
because of some abstract devotion to multilateral process. It's because
multilateral process is a safeguard that you use precisely when you know that
you may see something exactly black, but somebody else may see it exactly
white, and you better hear that view.
JM: It's interesting
to hear you describe power in these terms because it resonates with research
covered by my co-editor Dacher Keltner
in this issue of Greater Good. That research shows when people practice
social intelligence, when they're sensitive to the needs of others and able to
empathize with them, they are entrusted with more power and are actually able
to wield that power over a longer term, and more successfully, than when they
just try to lead by force and coercion.
AMS: Very interesting.
That is consistent with the view of John Ikenberry,
who is my co-author on the Princeton Project on National Security, that the
secret of our success after WWII was that we were willing to constrain
ourselves by creating and participating in institutions such as the United
Nations. By doing so, we were not only strengthening ourselves by creating
alliances against our adversaries. We were reassuring our allies that we would
not dominate them -- that we would genuinely take their views seriously and
that we would accept these constraints in return for their participating in
these institutions with us. And the whole point there is that constraint is a
source of power.
JM: What you're
articulating seems to be social intelligence on a global scale. On the other
hand, there's another body of research showing that once people have power,
despite what research shows is the best way to wield it, people are often
corrupted by it and abuse power in pursuit of their own self-interest. And I
can't help but wonder whether that might also be the case in the international
arena. In other words, perhaps the
AMS: Well, it's a great
question, and I think you can answer it on multiple levels. One, there's the
basic learning curve on the personal level. In my own experience as dean, and I
think many leaders will say this, when you first become a leader, there's this
overwhelming sense that you have to prove your strength and your resolution.
And what you're going to do is just declare something and impose it. And you're
going to act quickly and resolutely and firmly. And virtually all effective
leaders then realize, "No, actually moving more slowly and consulting more
widely is far more likely to help you reach your objective." It will be
slower, it may be moderated in different ways -- you're not going to get it
exactly as you wanted -- but it will be legitimate, and it will last.
So if you think about
that globally, part of the answer is that there's a learning curve, right? The
The other thing I would
say is this is the first time ever that you have had a democracy in this role.
I write in my book that our democracy does not presume we are better than other
people. On the contrary, it presumes that we are totally human, and like all
humans, we are corruptible and we are weak. Unlike the
And I think we will
look back and see we've handled this period of being an unquestionable hyperpower quite badly, but that we then recovered and,
first, recognized that the period of being a hyperpower
was clearly limited. Because if you look 20 years down the road, you can see
other powers-
This has been a
grievous learning curve. But I remain optimistic that we actually can come
back.
JM: Looking ahead to
the next administration and beyond, why are you optimistic that we can and will
get back on this right path?
AMS: I am optimistic,
although I'm not Pollyannaish. In other words, I really do think this is going
to be a four-to-five year effort, because we really have eroded so much of what
I think does make us strong.
But with the right
administration, and the willingness to put in the work, not to have a quick
fix, to accept constraints, and to really have a serious global agenda, not
just a national agenda-I am convinced that we can do it, for a couple of
reasons. The biggest one is the Churchillian argument
about democracy: that we're the worst possible leader, but we're better than
all the others. I don't see any other nations that can do this, and I think
many nations in the world want leadership. I'm living in
I'm also optimistic
because the
Reprinted from Greater Good Volume IV, Issue 3 (Winter 2007-08).
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